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Key takeaways:

      • The debate continues 鈥 GenAI is reigniting the debate over the billable hour in law firms but is unlikely to fully replace it within the next five years, with firms expected to adopt more hybrid billing models, panelists said.

      • AFAs on the rise 鈥 If alternative fee arrangements are the answer, firms need to develop clear communication, disciplined scoping, and a shared understanding of value between clients and law firms, which remains a challenge.

      • What the client needs 鈥 Clients want law firms to use GenAI not just to lower costs, but to deliver more effective and creative legal solutions, emphasizing the importance of combining human expertise with technology.


NATIONAL HARBOR, Maryland 鈥斕齌he death of the law firm billable hour has been advertised and failed to materialize so many times that many in the legal industry roll their eyes when they hear the next proclamation of its impending demise.

The billable hour is an easy concept to calculate and understand, and today鈥檚 levels of law firm profitability suggests little urgency to change. However, the rapidly increasing use of generative AI (GenAI) has reopened the debate with some new excitement that this advanced tech is the long-awaited catalyst to ring the billable hour鈥檚 death knell. Certainly, GenAI use will drive law firms to adopt practices that will support profitability when using other forms of billing, and it will also help articulate value and provide clients with more transparent pricing.

At the recent听, a stopwatch-style debate 鈥 moderated by the 成人VR视频 Institute鈥檚 Zach Warren 鈥 tackled not just whether GenAI is a superior billing method to achieve firm and client goals but also what conditions must exist for a true shift toward it.

Client value and billing

Done well, alternative fee arrangements (AFAs) align client and outside counsel incentives, improve predictability, and shift focus to outcomes. 鈥淐lients don鈥檛 hire lawyers for how long something takes 鈥 they hire them for results,鈥 said , founder of This Might Help Consulting. Mature and successful value-based pricing requires phase-based scoping, milestone holdbacks and bonuses, and constant re-scoping 鈥 steps not easily accomplished.

There鈥檚 no secret as to why firms avoid all that and stay within their hourly billing comfort zone: Law firm recruiting and compensation hinges largely on utilization and maximizing billable hours. Also, scoping an expensive project for partners not trained in project management is risky, and any changes can drive the parties back to the bargaining table, further eroding client trust and even the firm鈥檚 own assumptions of what may be required.

Riffing on a famous Winston Churchill quote, , founder of AtJustice and former Records & E鈥慏iscovery practice group leader at Reed Smith, noted that the billable hour 鈥渕ay be the worst billing system 鈥 except for all the others.鈥 In addition, while clients may grumble, they still pay for billable hours, so firms have no true incentive to change.


There鈥檚 no secret as to why firms avoid all that and stay within their hourly billing comfort zone: Law firm recruiting and compensation hinges largely on utilization and maximizing billable hours.


However, the ILTACON panel did illuminate one major stumbling block in the shift to AFAs: Whether firms and clients can truly agree on what success and value looks like for both parties under an AFA. In a hypothetical, panelists debated whether an AFA set for $100,000 would satisfy clients if the firm completed the work more quickly in what would have cost $80,000 if billed hourly.

Cohen said the client would be unhappy they had paid more than needed, and McPherson argued that 鈥渋f the client got the value and it was predictable鈥 and the client avoided more costly litigation, they would consider that a win and a great value. The bottom line seems to be that firms and clients need more communication upfront around client value, and disciplined scoping, iterative recalibration, and tech-enabled matter intelligence will help drive success 鈥 otherwise firms will continue to default to the billable hour.

GenAI effectiveness vs. cost reduction

The promise of GenAI to drive the costs of billable hours down is attractive and often the most emphasized aspect in discussions around its impact on the shift in billing, but we shouldn鈥檛 overlook GenAI鈥檚 ability to increase how effectively and creatively law firms can solve clients鈥 problems. Corporate legal departments鈥 requests for proposals (RFPs) for outside counsel engagement often focus upon costs, but quality and predictability still matter. The lowest bids on reverse auction platforms lose out 54% of the time, and the highest bids win 18% of the time, said panelist , Senior Pricing Manager at Perkins Coie.

Still, the primary GenAI question in many RFPs, is simply 鈥淗ow will you use AI to lower our costs?鈥 This makes clear that clients just want to know how GenAI will lower their fees, and this is often what clients want to discuss when GenAI comes up, said , Director of Practice Innovation at Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson.

Still, it鈥檚 becoming clearer that clients want their outside firms to use AI to deliver more effective and creative solutions to their legal matters, with lower costs just a happy by-product. 鈥淟itigation is a business problem stuck in the courtroom,鈥 said panelist , president of iDiscovery Solutions. In-house counsel can seem more firmly focused on their company鈥檚 business problems and how they can leverage the law to help solve internal business partners鈥 problems. Under the billable hour, outside counsel may be reluctant to consider other angles or solutions to a problem other than the most obvious, for fear of increasing the client鈥檚 bill.


Clients just want to know how GenAI will lower their fees, and this is often what clients want to discuss when GenAI comes up.


The panel further recommended that outside counsel should consider how using an AFA and GenAI in conjunction with their own legal and business acumen, may more quickly allow them to consider other solutions without fear of needlessly running up a client invoice. Overall, outside counsel needs to enunciate how the combination of their human value 鈥 strategy, judgment, and industry fluency 鈥 in conjunction with GenAI offers more effective and creative solutions, hopefully delivered more cost-effectively as well.

Will GenAI kill the billable hour in five years?

Overall, it鈥檚 unlikely GenAI kills the billable hour in the next five years, and panelists certainly foresee a slower shift that鈥檚 driven by client demand, not law firms鈥 own initiative.

For now, as the panel suggested, there likely will be more use of AFAs, especially around more predictable matters or those with repeatable processes, clearer tasks, and more predictable outcomes. To prepare, law firms should clarify their value beyond AI, increase pricing transparency, and better leverage their legal professionals to improve client satisfaction.


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ILTACON 2025: Unlocking agentic AI success for legal professionals /en-us/posts/technology/iltacon-2025-agentic-ai/ Thu, 21 Aug 2025 14:54:08 +0000 https://blogs.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/?p=67270

Key takeaways:

      • Goal in mind 鈥 Agentic AI functions differently from past technologies in that it works towards a goal, which means understanding the tasks to get to that goal.

      • Importance of context 鈥 The more data an AI agent has, the better decisions it will be able to execute, making proper data architecture and interoperability extremely important.

      • Lawyer input required 鈥 Despite increased autonomy, agentic AI systems still rely on legal professionals for verification and review 鈥 and knowing when to bring in human knowledge will be key to the user experience.


NATIONAL HARBOR, Maryland 鈥 The buzziest term in legal technology currently is that of agentic AI. In theory, an AI agent presents even more technological autonomy than even generative AI (GenAI), presenting a piece of software that can simulate decision-making and even execute certain tasks in the legal workflow.

The prospect of making legal tasks even more streamlined has tantalized legal technologists. As a result, many incumbent legal technology companies are baking agentic AI into their workflows, more tech startups are bringing agentic AI concepts into the legal realm by the day, and technology teams at law firms and corporate law departments are beginning to explore what agentic AI may mean for them.

All of that is well and good, but like any technology, there鈥檚 a difference between simply adopting a new technology, and adopting it successfully. Like GenAI, general purpose AI, and a number of technologies before it, agentic AI needs the right conditions to properly thrive. Especially given that agentic AI may be the most complex piece of software that has ever been available for the legal world, simply setting it and forgetting it is not an option.

So, how can law firms and corporate law departments set themselves up for agentic AI success? According to legal technology leaders at the Orchestrating Intelligence: AI Agents in the Legal Space panel at the , proper agentic AI implementations start with knowing the tasks 鈥 yes, plural 鈥 at hand, and giving the system a whole lot of contextual data with which to reason.

Chaining tasks

Current technologies, and particularly the GenAI that legal professionals have become familiar with over the past three years, have become very good at executing specific actions. For example, you can ask a GenAI system, 鈥淲rite me a shopping list for a family of four that gives healthy meals and minimizes costs,鈥 and it will do that specific task very well.


The prospect of making legal tasks even more streamlined has tantalized legal technologists.


However, that鈥檚 not what agentic AI is built to do. Rather than execute a specific action, said panelist Joel Hron, Chief Technology Officer at 成人VR视频, agentic AI instead is built to achieve larger goals. 鈥淵ou don鈥檛 tell it to do a certain thing, you tell it to achieve a goal,鈥 Hron explained. 鈥淎nd it, with the context that it has and the information that it has, figures out the best way to achieve that goal.鈥

This means that rather than one specific action, agentic workflows are made up of tasks that build towards a goal. For example, panelist Adam Ryan, chief product officer at Litera, pointed to the email inbox. Lawyers send and receive business development emails all the time, asking how the firm can help on a given project, or what types of cases a lawyer is working on. Rather than needing to synthesize that information themselves, then draft a response (potentially with the help of GenAI or another tool), an AI agent can begin that work automatically.

鈥淲hat an agent can do is look at that email, understand the context, and be able to proactively come back with the answer to that question,鈥 Ryan said. Each of these are individual tasks, but they all move towards the larger goal of engaging in business development with this particular client. That way, the lawyer鈥檚 time is reduced from drafting to simply reviewing a response.

All of the context

Perhaps just as important, panelists said, is making sure the AI agent has the right context by which to make a decision. Think back to Ryan鈥檚 example 鈥 a response email will look very different if it鈥檚 to a long-standing client, a high-value client the firm is trying to get into the pipeline, or a low-value client that is being cold-called. Just like a first-year associate, the more the agentic AI system understands about the task it鈥檚 trying to perform, the better it鈥檚 going to be able to execute that task.


The panel noted that while agentic AI is intended to be more autonomous than past technologies, it will not be wholly making decisions independent of legal professionals.


That鈥檚 why Hron called context 鈥渁 very important driver of performance鈥 for those looking to implement agentic AI systems. It鈥檚 also why, because of the need for as much data as possible to make that context robust, he said that he expects data interoperability to play a major role as agentic AI becomes more mainstream. 鈥淚 think what you鈥檒l see with agents is that it will significantly break down barriers between software applications working with each other,鈥 Hron said. 鈥淎n agent that is going to do its job well is going to have as much context as it possibly can.鈥

Ryan agreed, noting that he expects a continued emphasis on capturing structured data that can easily be used for agentic systems, across all types of tasks and matters. 鈥淚 think the firms that will succeed in this race are the firms with really good structured data sets of the entire experience.鈥

Lawyer in the loop

Finally, the panel noted that while agentic AI is intended to be more autonomous than past technologies, it will not be wholly making decisions independent of legal professionals. Panelist Matt Zerweck, Group Product Manager at Harvey, said his organization thinks about this in two discrete ways: i) The check-in process, in which legal professionals are brought into the agentic workflow to verify or provide input to a prompt; and ii) the review process, in which legal professionals can check the output and convert that output into achieving the overall goal.

成人VR视频鈥 Hron noted that a big part of agentic AI success will be the user experience for the tool, which if executed correctly, will lead to more trust in the system. This even occurs through small visual cues, similar to the way that hyperlinks in online articles let the reader know there is an external citation for what is written, he said.


Just like a first-year associate, the more the agentic AI system understands about the task it鈥檚 trying to perform, the better it鈥檚 going to be able to execute that task.


Indeed, user experience of a software has been built historically for humans to take actions, but now, Hron said that he thinks 鈥渢he design principles of the future of software will be much more about maximizing the speed at which optimization and verification will happen.鈥

In the future, panelists noted, agentic AI will have the ability to learn user preferences and how to refine its workflows over time. Zerwick explained that legal tech developers are already thinking, 鈥渉ow do you go from constantly kicking off an agent, to the agent going without you doing anything, to the agent reaching out directly to you?鈥

To be sure, we are in the very early days for agentic AI in legal. But the panel said that when agentic AI becomes more commonplace, it will amplify the strong work attorneys already do. Hron said he sees AI agents as a boon for the strongest attorneys in particular, given that a lot of the more tedious work performed by all attorneys will become more automated.

鈥淚t makes the harder decisions more important,鈥 Hron said. 鈥淪o, it amplifies the best people in the organization, because it brings those decisions to the fore more often.鈥


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ILTACON 2025: Proactive project management emerges as law firms鈥 new secret tech weapon /en-us/posts/technology/proactive-project-management-iltacon-2025/ Thu, 14 Aug 2025 13:25:53 +0000 https://blogs.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/?p=67196

Key takeaways:

      • Proactive management 鈥 Law firms must adopt proactive project management strategies to effectively prioritize and align projects with evolving firm-wide strategic initiatives, especially in the face of rapid AI adoption.

      • Plan for the future 鈥 Consistent prioritization models and robust intake processes enable firms to better manage both planned and ad hoc projects, supporting long-term, multi-year goals.

      • Trust at the fore 鈥 Building trust across practice areas and creating a culture of collaboration are essential for successfully implementing successful project management strategies within law firms.


NATIONAL HARBOR, Maryland 鈥 One side effect of the explosion of AI within law firms is that, due to the portability of the technology, everyone wants a piece of the action. Whether on financial teams, business development and marketing teams, or lawyers themselves, technology remains top of mind for just about every function鈥檚 strategic planning into 2026 and beyond.

Naturally, this will cause some capacity constraints on various teams. IT will be affected, of course; and so too will security and risk management teams. However, there is one area that law firms may have already been struggling to build out that suddenly faces a crunch: project management offices. Suddenly, there are more projects to be done than ever before, and an office within the firm that may have been somewhat neglected before has been given increased importance.

So how can law firms bolster their project management capabilities and workflows on the fly? A session, Project Management: The Secret Edge to Strategic Planning at the aimed to advance the critical conversation around project management. Too often, the panelists said, law firm project management functions are stuck being reactive to pre-existing projects, rather than being proactive in determining how projects can be prioritized to align with larger firm strategic initiatives.

鈥淭hese projects are already happening. These lists aren鈥檛 driving strategic decision-making, they鈥檝e already been approved,鈥 said panelist Maura Whelan, Director of Project Management at McDermott, Will & Schulte. 鈥淏ut this is a mature practice in our industry, and we want to acknowledge that.鈥

Picking priorities

For law firms to become more proactive about project management has to start with leadership asking a question that sounds simple in theory but is more difficult in execution: How do you prioritize certain projects over others?

There are a bunch of different potential methods to doing this, Whelen explained, adding that one way her firm has done this is through aligning projects with different firm strategic initiatives, then prioritizing those initiatives and ranking them from top to bottom. Project managers could also assign a 1 to 5 on value, or have a matrix of feasibility vs. impact, or any number of potential ways of categorization.

However, what鈥檚 important, Whelan said, is to have something that is consistent and universally agreed upon by firm stakeholders. 鈥淟ook for the model that works for you, evolve the model that鈥檚 best for your firm 鈥 but you need to have an agreed upon model,鈥 she said.


For law firms to become more proactive about project management has to start with leadership asking a question that sounds simple in theory but is more difficult in execution: How do you prioritize certain projects over others?


Once the firm has shaped the initial prioritization, however, that does not mean that the projects are set for the year. The panel noted that not only will firm priorities shift throughout the year, but pressing projects themselves too will rise. Cindy Etoh, Director of Project Services at Ropes & Gray, estimated that about 20% of the projects her team works on during the year are ad hoc projects that emerge after the initial yearly planning. As a result, she has quarterly planning meetings to go over new project requests with firm leadership, during which she鈥檒l discuss each project鈥檚 business case and assign a ranking score at that time.

Mary Nguyen, Director of Planning & Strategy at Paul Weiss, said her firm sees a similar percentage of ad hoc projects arise. Because the firm has instituted a strong intake process with past projects, her team doesn鈥檛 feel caught off-guard, Nguyen said, adding that the intake process 鈥渁lso helps us predict the work with some scientific backing to it.鈥

With years of data now piling up, Paul Weiss is beginning to look at the project portfolio not even in yearly chunks, but in multi-year key goals and themes, she explained, noting that it鈥檚 a relatively new initiative, but it came to the fore particularly with large projects such as cloud migrations or AI implementations that could be hard to handle without long-range thinking. 鈥淭hat really prompted us to start thinking and planning in a different way.鈥

Agents of change

It鈥檚 one thing to plan more strategically for a firm鈥檚 projects, and it鈥檚 wholly another matter to make sure that firm personnel are actually on board with those projects as they鈥檙e rolled out.

Panelists put forth the idea of portfolio change management as a potential balm 鈥 the idea that change management does not need to only happen at the project level, but as a portfolio-wide plan that can be portable across all projects now and in the future.

Nguyen pointed to recent developments in the cloud and AI, for example, that demonstrate two key reasons why traditional change management methods are not cutting it. First, the use cases are so vast and possibilities endless that project managers can show people how to perform the initial few steps but not necessarily know the outcome. Second, technologies are rapidly changing, so that for a full, firm-wide tech implementation such as launching Copilot, project managers need to update processes monthly instead of two or three times a year.


Panelists put forth the idea of portfolio change management as a potential balm 鈥 the idea that change management does not need to only happen at the project level, but as a portfolio-wide plan that can be portable across all projects now and in the future.


With rapid, unknowable change at the fore, Reesa David, Project Manager at legal service provider InOutsource, said one currency is more valuable than the rest 鈥 trust. She suggested having a project manager not only assigned to different practice areas, but a liaison that actually sits within those practice areas. 鈥淲hether it鈥檚 technical or non-technical, you鈥檙e able to translate those resource needs,鈥 David said, adding that will allow team leaders to break down silos when different groups have different strategies and different practices.

Cindy Fragliossi, Head of the Project Management Office at Fried Frank, agreed on the importance of trust and also noted that it can also be a reflection of firm culture. As the saying goes, she noted, 鈥渃ulture eats strategy for breakfast鈥 鈥 meaning that all the planning in the world won鈥檛 mean much if the firm culture isn鈥檛 one of collaboration on new and existing projects. 鈥淵our [project management office] and its growth will be defined by firm culture and what its demands are,鈥 she added.

Indeed, there is a lot of change in today鈥檚 law firms, maybe too much for some; however, with proper proactive project planning and a strategy for getting stakeholders on board, project management does not need to be overwhelming. 鈥淕ood change management principles can help us all be more successful,鈥 added McDermott, Will & Schulte鈥檚 Whelan.


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ILTA Evolve: Finding the use cases for law firms around agentic AI systems /en-us/posts/technology/ilta-evolve-agentic-ai-use-cases/ Mon, 12 May 2025 17:44:20 +0000 https://blogs.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/?p=65824 MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. 鈥 The past three years have seen a natural, albeit rapid, progression of AI capabilities in law. First came the large language models (LLMs) and platforms built on top of them such as ChatGPT, which allowed for simple interactions based on pre-existing data. Then came the introduction of retrieval-augmented generation (RAG), introducing more context-specific answers to prompts and the ability to develop code and other types of outputs. This also coincided with the ability for AI tools to call one another, creating an ever more complex system of interactions between AI programs.

Now, however, comes a new question: What if those interactions can happen autonomously, in which an AI program is given a specific task, knows what it needs to accomplish that task, and can call on other programs and systems without human input? Enter AI agents 鈥 which many legal technologists believe will be the next step in the AI evolution for the industry 鈥 that can develop more complex ways of working throughout autonomous execution of specific tasks.

As these AI agents can make calls over and over, said Rob Saccone, Chief Technology Officer at tech company Lega, something special emerges 鈥 the ability to autonomously fix a process that isn鈥檛 working. 鈥淲e also discovered that with carefully crafted prompts, models could not only generate text, or code for us, they could develop plans for us,鈥 Saccone said.

Machines developing autonomous plans may conjure images of the mythic robot lawyer. However, at a panel听during the recent听conference,听Agentic AI: How this emerging area may impact the legal profession, the panelists said they view AI agents less as a robot lawyer and more a highly caffeinated assistant 鈥 one that can perform specific tasks very well and can interact with the environment on a 24/7 basis, but one that also takes regular oversight and training to function effectively.

What makes AI agentic?

Reanna Martinez, Director of Innovation, Systems, and Data at Munger, Tolles & Olson, said she regularly hears questions from attorneys about the differences between generative AI (GenAI), agentic AI, and other types of technologies in the marketplace. She delineated four key aspects that make a piece of technology agentic in nature:

      • Primary function 鈥 Agentic AI is given a full goal to achieve, rather than a specific task.
      • Autonomy 鈥 Agentic AI has high autonomous ability, as it figures out what is needed to accomplish a goal, rather than a discrete prompt every time.
      • Learning and adaptability 鈥 Also high, with the ability to respond to new stimuli and the environment.
      • Decision-making 鈥 Agentic AI has the ability to discern the best outcome to achieve its goal, then execute on that outcome in the real world.

Crucially, agentic AI is not the same thing as GenAI, Martinez added. Many GenAI systems aren鈥檛 agentic, as 鈥渢hey鈥檙e using LLMs to perform certain tasks, but they鈥檙e not autonomous, they鈥檙e written by software engineers to do something specific.鈥 Agentic, meanwhile, means 鈥渃hurning through a problem to get to the best result.鈥

AI agents can also accomplish these goals around the clock, as 鈥渁gents are taking things that are routine and time-consuming and creating 24-hour access,鈥 she explained. In a supermarket, for example, an AI agent can not only determine whether the stock of a product is low but actively research the best method of procurement and place an order, all without human input.

These abilities can also extend to the marketing sphere. For instance, an AI agent can take a new product, research its audience and marketing strategy, conduct A/B marketing campaigns using email and Google, and more. 鈥淚t鈥檚 doing all of these things like a normal marketing professional would, but it鈥檚 doing it 24/7 because it has a goal,鈥 Martinez said.

The applicability to law firms

What does that mean for the legal industry? AI agents have a host of potential use cases, noted Sara Miro, Director of Knowledge Solutions at Sullivan & Cromwell. And many of them can cut down on a lot of (non-billable) time within a firm, such as:

      • Marketing and lead generation 鈥 AI agents can look at client news, conduct research, and create pitch materials 鈥24/7, doing work while you鈥檙e sleeping.鈥
      • Client in-take and follow-up 鈥 They can also track client activity and monitor communications, generating reports and suggesting touchpoints, which can be particularly important for lawyers because 鈥渢he business development part takes a lot of time and effort, and it鈥檚 non-billable.鈥
      • Task recommendations 鈥 The agents can observe work processes and propose next steps, suggest precedent, and draft documents, in an overall effort to 鈥渟uggest what you should be working on next to get the best result in this matter.鈥
      • Voice assistants 鈥 If allowed, AI agents can listen to communications and book meetings, organize to-do lists, and prepare for the next steps of an engagement. An agent can even conduct an entire series of meetings, immediately booking a follow-up meeting invite 鈥渂ecause it knows what you鈥檙e looking for.鈥 Then, it can put it into all calendars, book a specific conference room that a partner wants, and collect materials for the meeting.

None of this occurs without oversight, of course, as well as some custom engineering to take into account firm desires and preferences. 鈥淚 can鈥檛 imagine a situation where you鈥檙e going to give complete control over to these agents, even five years from now,鈥 Miro said, adding that as preferences change over time, 鈥渢here has to be flexibility.鈥

Today鈥檚 risks

Of course, any new technology is going to have an element of risk that law firms need to evaluate. Munger Tolles鈥 Martinez said she plots new applications on a risk/value matrix, factoring in security, the readiness of users and the environment, the level of accuracy, the impact if something goes wrong, cost, and ROI.

While the potential value to the firm can sometimes get lost in the nuances of new technology, it is perhaps the most important factor, she added. 鈥淭he important thing is that you always have to start with your business use case 鈥 what is the thing you鈥檙e trying to solve?鈥

Miro agreed, noting that even though agentic AI may be new, 鈥渋t鈥檚 tech, it鈥檚 software. The analysis really shouldn鈥檛 be that different from how you evaluate things today.鈥 With that in mind, her main risk concerns look similar to other tech systems: a need to evaluate security and privacy, accuracy and reliability, and compliance and ethics.

However, there are a few additional wrinkles to agentic AI鈥檚 rollout, the panel explained. For example, autonomy: How much independent decision-making should be allowed? If an AI agent develops a business development use case while sleeping that鈥檚 great, but if the agent goes ahead contacts the potential client directly, that can create issues. Or if the agent takes the initiative to set up a follow-up meeting, that can be helpful; but the firm likely will not want the agent to autonomously select to whom the meeting invites get sent.

And as with GenAI itself, agentic AI is supposed to be additive to lawyers and law firm personnel, not a replacement for their skills. 听And now is the time to begin thinking how to upskill legal professionals to work with the next wave of technology, Sullivan & Cromwell鈥檚 Miro said.

After all, agentic AI systems are powerful and autonomous, but they鈥檙e not all-encompassing. 鈥淒on鈥檛 fire your teams,鈥 she said. 鈥淭here鈥檚 still a place for everyone.鈥


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ILTA Evolve: Fitting GenAI into your current systems can be difficult, but not impossible /en-us/posts/technology/ilta-evolve-fitting-genai-into-current-systems/ Wed, 07 May 2025 14:44:51 +0000 https://blogs.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/?p=65781 MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. 鈥 In the rush to adopt generative AI (GenAI) technologies, there is one simple fact that some eager attorneys and law firm leaders may forget: GenAI still won鈥檛 be the only technology in use. Indeed, any GenAI system not only needs to stand on its own, but it also needs to be integrated into pre-existing data systems, technology processes, and attorneys鈥 daily workflows.

Sound difficult? The reality of true integration may be even tougher. According to a panel, AI Made Practical: Enhancing Existing Tools and Driving Firm Adoption at the recent conference, any legal technologist entering the GenAI world with expectations of a perfect rollout will soon have those notions roundly distinguished.

However, that doesn鈥檛 mean that driving adoption of GenAI tools is impossible. It simply takes planning, from initial evaluation through implementation and feedback.

First, the evaluation

When the firm Frost Brown Todd began its GenAI journey, firm leaders started with urgency: They needed GenAI now, said panelist Masako Hashimoto, the firm鈥檚 Senior Legal Project Manager. 鈥淥ur thing was that GenAI was going to change the practice of law, and if we don鈥檛 figure this out, others will,鈥 she said.

This meant evaluating not only AI tools, but their applications to firm attorneys, all at the same time. Hashimoto noted that firm leadership understood that the GenAI implementation didn鈥檛 need to immediately be perfect, and it would be supplementing rather than replacing tasks. They simply required speed.

Many law firms have found themselves in the same conundrum, given the rapid pace of GenAI development since ChatGPT鈥檚 initial release less than 30 months ago. However, this need for rapid implementation means that many legal technologists have had to learn not only a new technology, but how lawyers would be implementing it in a practical way.


GenAI was going to change the practice of law, and if we don鈥檛 figure this out, others will.


Panelist Victor Chavez, Knowledge & Innovation Attorney at Sheppard, Mullin, Richter & Hampton, said he has seen some firms fall into the trap of evaluating technology before knowing how it鈥檚 going to be used 鈥 a totally backwards mindset. 鈥淵ou can have the coolest, shiniest AI car that can drive you anywhere you want to go,鈥 Chavez said. 鈥淏ut if you don鈥檛 have a map 鈥 the problem you鈥檙e trying to solve 鈥 you鈥檙e not going to get anywhere effectively.鈥

Yet, even if legal technologists don鈥檛 immediately know the use case for an AI tool, they should be working on ways to solicit that feedback quickly. Another panelist, Christopher Fryer, Chief Information Officer at Hanson Bridgett, explained that when his firm was testing Microsoft Copilot, he saw quick interest among the human resources team 鈥 both because of the use case potential, but perhaps more importantly, because of weekly meetings the team would have to share worthwhile prompts and tips.

It’s an idea he鈥檚 taking forward to fully roll-out Copilot and other tools, with a monthly session in which attorneys can highlight to one another what they鈥檝e learned. 鈥淥ne of the most important things you can do is gather those use cases and showcase them,鈥 Fryer said.

Encouraging adoption

Even after a GenAI tool is selected, however, the work is far from done. Frost Brown鈥檚 Hashimoto said she approaches GenAI adoption as 鈥渘ot a technology project, it鈥檚 a change management project.鈥 In one recent case, her firm鈥檚 attorneys were very excited about a new tool, and the firm was excited to provide training and licenses 鈥 until two months later, when Hashimoto noticed usage had dropped precipitously.

It was a case of mismatched expectations. 鈥淭hey thought that GenAI technology was something that would work like a washing machine. They would put the dirty clothes in, they would press the button, and they would get what they get,鈥 Hashimoto said.

Undeterred, she and the Frost Brown Todd team retooled. They relaunched the tool internally with a team of 24 specifically chosen lawyers across various practice areas. The attorneys dedicated between two and four hours a week to dive into the technology; and crucially, the firm would give them up to 30 billable hours credit for doing so. Hashimoto鈥檚 team was there for white glove help, but not to tell people how to do things because they wanted attorneys to adopt the tool in ways that would fit with their pre-existing work.

鈥淭hat vulnerability approach really worked,鈥 she explained, adding that the attorneys would 鈥渓earn from each other much better than the formal training sessions.鈥

This can make encouraging adoption even more difficult for legal technologists, noted Chavez of Sheppard Mullin. 鈥淭he hardest part of this current period right now is that the technology is the easy side,鈥 he said. 鈥淭he harder part is making your knowledge and your mastery an approachable asset for the attorneys.鈥


They thought that GenAI technology was something that would work like a washing machine. They would put the dirty clothes in, they would press the button, and they would get what they get.


For his part, Chavez said that he鈥檚 spent much of the past year simply trying to be available within the firm, even to the point of being 鈥渁nnoying.鈥 Even if attorneys learn best from one another, the technology function can still be a helpful ear in a time of need. Plus, simply by being available, firm technologists can more easily capture precious data.

鈥淲e created those spaces for the attorneys to come by and say, 鈥業 was thinking of doing 1, 2, and 3, how can AI help me?鈥欌 Chavez said. 鈥淎nd that鈥檚 where you collect your use cases.鈥

Supporting ongoing iteration

Indeed, law firm technologists may be operating with a dearth of data in the early days of the GenAI lifecycle. Hanson Bridgett鈥檚 Fryer acknowledged that not many have figured out the magic formula to measure GenAI鈥檚 ROI. For now, he鈥檚 focused on a path to building ROI in the future: Start small, build those wins, and have a story that people can rally around.

鈥淚 would not lead with this as an efficiency tool, because every time I do with a partner, they walk away,鈥 Fryer said. Instead, he鈥檚 approaching GenAI an idea-generation tool. 鈥淚n order to build ROI, you have to have a story, and you have to have something that people will listen to.鈥

In these early GenAI days, the panel suggested that it鈥檚 important for firm leaders to know where to focus their efforts. Hashimoto said she sorts attorneys into four general buckets: i) those who are skeptical that AI can perform any type of legal work; ii) those who don鈥檛 care and will continue to use their old processes; iii) those who are far ahead and know everything about the technology already; and iv) those who may be skeptical but are also interested in seeing where AI can help.

It鈥檚 with that last category where Hashimoto has found the most success. To continue to nurture adoption, she鈥檒l make sure to schedule follow-up meetings with these attorneys to both see whether they鈥檙e using a tool effectively but also to ensure they know her team is available to help.

After all, her project management role 鈥 and the role of most legal technologists 鈥 is to respond directly to what their firm鈥檚 stakeholders need. And that maxim has not changed with GenAI, she said. 鈥淓very time you talk to an attorney interested in GenAI, really understand where they鈥檙e coming from and then speak from their standpoint of where GenAI can help them.鈥


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Legal tech education in the age of transformation: Insights ahead of ILTA EVOLVE 2025 /en-us/posts/legal/tech-education-ilta-evolve-2025/ Mon, 10 Feb 2025 18:35:00 +0000 https://blogs.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/?p=64854 Legal education has long been the backbone of professional development in the legal sector, but with the rapid evolution of technology, the landscape of what constitutes essential knowledge and skills is changing dramatically. Generative AI (GenAI), cybersecurity, and emerging technological standards are no longer tangential considerations, rather they are central to the future of legal practice.

The International Legal Technology Association (ILTA) , coming at the end of April, is set to explore these advancements through a careful focus on training and experiential learning 鈥 two pillars that should be central to legal technology education in any setting.

5 concepts reshaping the legal profession

First, we want to explore five critical educational concepts 鈥 a few of the many 鈥 that are reshaping the legal profession and briefly highlight how to support the need for training and upskilling in these areas.

1. The necessity of GenAI literacy

GenAI is either already revolutionizing or is at least well positioned to revolutionize the way legal professionals conduct research, draft documents, oversee operational aspects of law firm administration and managing client interactions. The American Bar Association (ABA) is already developing emerging rules for AI governance, underscoring the urgency of integrating this knowledge into legal education. In addition, the European Union and several US states also are leading the way in this area.

Beyond theoretical understanding, the profession requires hands-on training to effectively use well-known AI tools such as Microsoft Copilot and ChatGPT, legal domain-specific tools, and many others. These tools can automate routine tasks like contract drafting and data analysis but require an understanding of some of the potential pitfalls and the need for monitoring within the course of using AI to avoid biases, hallucinations, privacy and confidentiality violations, and more.

These experiential learning concepts are most helpful in training legal professionals. Mock scenarios and can prepare students to harness these tools effectively while understanding the ethical considerations that accompany their use.

At ILTA EVOLVE 2025, for example, attendees can expect practical demonstrations and real-world case studies on GenAI applications. Indeed, GenAI is not just about efficiency, it鈥檚 about transforming the way professionals approach legal work. To stay competitive, legal professionals need both a conceptual framework and the practical skills to leverage this technology responsibly.

2. Addressing emerging cybersecurity risks

With law firms serving as repositories for highly sensitive client information while working on complex transitions requiring confidentiality, cybersecurity is a cornerstone of modern legal practice. The escalating sophistication of cyber-threats demands that legal professionals understand concepts like information governance, data breach response, and emerging cyber-risk areas, both from the offensive and defensive perspectives of the discipline.

Legal education programs must go beyond theoretical discussions to do a deep dive into technology and offer actionable training in areas such as , cybersecurity protocols, and risk mitigation strategies. The Dark Web, facial recognition technology, and cited by US law enforcement should also be elements of this education.

ILTA EVOLVE 2025鈥檚 agenda places cybersecurity front and center, technology providers develop hands-on workshops and simulations for attendees that mirror real-world cyber incidents. Not surprisingly, the legal profession is uniquely vulnerable to cyberattacks and protecting client data must be a top priority. Education around cybersecurity issues is not optional 鈥 it鈥檚 an ethical and professional obligation.

3. Developing information governance expertise

Information governance 鈥 the effective management of information assets 鈥 is increasingly critical for law firms as they navigate complex regulatory environments. Poor information governance not only risks non-compliance but also undermines a firm’s operational efficiency and client trust.

Educational events are served well by prioritizing this area and offering sessions and workshops that combine theoretical frameworks with practical exercises. The ILTA EVOLVE 2025 conference dedicates several sessions to this topic, helping attendees understand the lifecycle of information management from creation to disposal.

4. Emerging standards and legal technology ethics

As technology evolves, so too do the standards and ethical considerations that govern its use. The ABA鈥檚 emerging rules on AI such as and other frameworks like ISO 42001 offer guiding principles, but legal professionals need more than awareness. They need actionable insights into how these standards affect their day-to-day work. Consider the European Union鈥檚 General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), and also well-known acts such as the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA). These standards and regulations are ever-changing, and engaging with industry experts to understand compliance is an important element for all legal technologists.

Legal education should also examine both the ethical implications and practical applications of emerging standards. Potentially, moot compliance audits or real-life past use cases may emerge as innovative ways to engage event attendees with these concepts as well as sessions that break down these standards into practical applications.

5. The value of experiential learning

Experiential learning opportunities 鈥 whether in law schools, professional organizations, or conferences 鈥 enable participants to build confidence and competence in real-world settings. For example, workshops that simulate AI-assisted litigation or cybersecurity breach response can prepare legal professionals to navigate complex scenarios with agility and expertise.

There is a broader need for experiential learning in legal education, where offering practical, technology-focused training is an element of increasing focus. For example, one of the standout features of ILTA EVOLVE 2025 is its focus on experiential learning that includes four hands-on workshops to give participants the opportunity to directly engage with cutting-edge tools and techniques.

The path forward for legal education

As the legal profession undergoes a profound transformation, education must adapt to prepare professionals for the challenges and opportunities ahead. Institutions must integrate experiential learning, emphasize emerging technologies, and provide actionable training that mirrors real-world demands.

By addressing key themes such as GenAI, cybersecurity, information governance, and emerging standards, educational events can equip attendees with actionable insights and set a benchmark for how legal education should evolve.


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ILTACON 2024: Large law firms are moving carefully but always forward with their GenAI strategy /en-us/posts/legal/iltacon-2024-large-law-firms-careful-genai-strategy/ https://blogs.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/legal/iltacon-2024-large-law-firms-careful-genai-strategy/#respond Tue, 27 Aug 2024 02:01:50 +0000 https://blogs.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/?p=62766 NASHVILLE 鈥 As the world approaches the two-year mark since the original introduction of OpenAI鈥檚 ChatGPT, law firms already have made in-roads into establishing generative artificial intelligence (GenAI) as a part of their firms. Whether for document and correspondence drafting, summarization of meetings and contracts, legal research, or for back-office capabilities, firms have been playing around with a number of use cases to see where the technology may fit into the future.

At the same time, however, there鈥檚 a recognition that not all GenAI implementations are created equal. And given the nascent nature of the technology, coupled with increased interest from law firm leadership who may be itching to push up adoption timelines, law firm technology teams saw in GenAI a project unlike anything they鈥檝e seen before. The world of GenAI implementation has been one of shifting priorities, flexible goals, and a continual need for feedback and communication to make sure firms stay on the right track.

It’s akin to painting on the fly, noted the Designed for Success: Mastering the Art of Artificial Intelligence panel, at the 2024 (ILTACON). Yet, with careful consideration, the right brushes, and a whole lot of patience, some firms are creating their own GenAI masterpiece. Here鈥檚 how three large law firms approached their own blank canvas.

The initial design

When developing BakerHostetler鈥檚 GenAI program, Katherine Lowry, the firm鈥檚 Chief Information Officer and head of its IncuBaker tech subsidiary, said she may have been starting from a blank canvas in terms of the technology itself, but not in terms of people and process. Due to the firm starting IncuBaker in 2016, she already had a team she felt 鈥渃ould have iterative moments of looking at the technology and seeing if it鈥檚 a fit,鈥 which helped when GenAI arrived.

Given their leg up, they were able to more quickly plug the technology into a seven-step innovation framework: Discover; Explore; Manage risk; Share knowledge; Experimentation; Monitor; and Release.


Given the nascent nature of the technology, coupled with increased interest from law firm leadership who may be itching to push up adoption timeline, law firm technology teams saw in GenAI a project unlike anything they鈥檝e seen before.


Vishal Agnihotri, Senior Director of Knowledge and Innovation at Alston & Bird, said that the discover and explore phases were a bit different for this technology in particular. Compared to past technologies, Agnihotri said, 鈥渋t feels like this one had the most hype or excitement attached with it.鈥 As a result, rather than trying to convince the firm to use the technology, she found she had the opposite problem: 鈥淲e were not saying it was magic, there is a lot of hard work,鈥 Agnihotri explained. 鈥淚t鈥檚 a very interesting thing to work around when you鈥檙e used to pitching technologies for years in your firm.鈥

At Crowell & Moring, Chief Innovation and Value Officer Alma Asay said the firm tackled this problem by encouraging experimentation 鈥 in an ethical way. The firm used GenAI early for 鈥渓egal-adjacent鈥 work that did not contain client information, and then that evolved into experimentation within Microsoft鈥檚 Azure system, which allowed for more contained use case development.

During this period, Asay added, leadership meetings commonly revolved around the question: 鈥淲hat technologies can we use safely so we can start to push the envelope, and which do we need to be more cautious about?鈥

Build vs. buy

With the discovery and exploration period firmly underway, the ILTACON panel noted that in the middle of 2023, discussions started to move towards implementation and adoption 鈥 or more crucially, the decision whether to build their own technology or purchase it from outside providers.

Asay says that she was in the buy-mindset upon joining the firm in 2021, especially as the former founder of a legal technology company herself. However, she found that with GenAI, the tools were so new and there were few options for what the firm wanted to do, that 鈥渨e didn鈥檛 want to spend speculative cash鈥 in hopes that the tools would catch up.

Instead, Crowell leaned on Microsoft鈥檚 tools on the back end and utilized low-code development to build their own technology, rather than slow down development. 鈥淚t was really just that sense we wanted to keep pushing forward,鈥 she said.

At Alston & Bird, Agnihotri said the firm wanted to take a multi-pronged approach. First, similar to Crowell, they built with an Azure and OpenAI back-end, which 鈥渨ill get us warmed up and trained enough to understand how to do this.鈥 Second, the firm 鈥渄idn鈥檛 want to try and emulate content powerhouses,鈥 so for use cases requiring large amounts of legal data, it would 鈥渆valuate those tools on their merits.鈥 Finally, firm leadership looked at buying legal use cases from Microsoft itself 鈥 a new option, given how Microsoft鈥檚 tools can be adopted directly to legal use cases easier than ever before.


鈥淭his is different from any other technology that we have explored or rolled out, because the dust is still settling on all this.鈥


Of course, this decision will be different at every firm, and notably all three firms on the panel are global in scope. No matter the size of firm, however, it鈥檚 worth exploring where it might fall on Gartner鈥檚 in regard to GenAI, said BakerHostetler鈥檚 Lowry, estimating that her 鈥渟trategic mindset would be that we鈥檙e going to be 80% to 90% consumption.鈥

She also found that with GenAI, there were more opportunities to embed and extend technologies further than she would have anticipated. For example, when talking with GenAI vendors, she realized 鈥渨e could build as fast as they could build.鈥 However, even if a firm can build GenAI tools, that鈥檚 not always the answer: 鈥淲e can build that. Do we want to? Maybe not.鈥

Picking and choosing spots

The panel agreed that GenAI will have a crucial place in the law firm of the future. Exactly where that place is, however, remains to be seen. 鈥淭his is different from any other technology that we have explored or rolled out, because the dust is still settling on all this,鈥 explained Agnihotri, adding that her firm has received mixed client signals regarding GenAI.

In some cases, she said, attorneys would receive RFPs from the firm鈥檚 business development team that mentioned AI, along with outside counsel guidelines restricting its use from the same client on the same day. Ultimately, rather than rolling out GenAI to every client matter, Agnihotri explained that 鈥渨e鈥檙e always looking for a signal from the client for interest.鈥

Crowell鈥檚 Asay agreed, joking that she has a four-year-old that is really into the game, The floor is lava. 鈥淎nd I feel like I鈥檓 playing that all day, every day, with generative AI.鈥

Even internally, she said, she realized she was at risk of losing people鈥檚 trust with a scattered rollout. The firm started using ChatGPT, then rolled out its own proprietary Crowell AI soon after, then mandated training on Crowell AI or users would lose the access they already had. She worried attorneys might not appreciate all the external forces mandating these rapid changes.

鈥淚 had to be very open with people and say, I know we鈥檙e asking a lot of you, it鈥檚 the nature of what we鈥檙e doing here,鈥 she noted. 鈥淎nd I was really amazed with the willingness of attorneys to roll with it.鈥

Agnihotri added that these stops and starts aren鈥檛 likely to change soon, even as GenAI as a whole maintains momentum forward. She said Alston & Bird adopted a mantra familiar to those in the northern United States and Canada: Drive carefully in snowy and icy conditions, because that鈥檚 when GenAI is today.

鈥淵ou never hit the brakes,鈥 she said. 鈥淕en AI鈥檚 journey was you can never hit the brakes, because that鈥檚 not an option, but you can鈥檛 go full speed ahead either.鈥


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ILTACON 2024: Technology can support law firm profitability 鈥 if done right /en-us/posts/technology/iltacon-2024-technology-support-law-firm-profitability/ https://blogs.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/technology/iltacon-2024-technology-support-law-firm-profitability/#respond Mon, 19 Aug 2024 14:09:36 +0000 https://blogs.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/?p=62655 NASHVILLE 鈥 In an increasingly artificial intelligence (AI)-driven world, law firms of all sizes are wondering what new technologies might mean for their profitability. For large firms, there is a worry that clients might demand that AI cut into billable work costs, with fewer ways to make up those lost profits. For smaller firms, there are concerns that productized legal AI and in-sourced work from clients may leave no room for their own work.

Of course, in actuality, AI won鈥檛 actually kill law firm profits, mostly because law firms and their attorneys are extremely adaptable, and they will find ways to replace the legal tasks being done by AI with higher-value and more fulfilling work.

However, there is a caveat to this, of course: To move on to that higher-value work, the firm鈥檚 pre-existing work has to be worthwhile. That鈥檚 where data comes in 鈥 not only to ensure that AI and new technology solutions work correctly, but to ensure that the work which law firms do is correctly valued and in line with the firm鈥檚 strategic direction and focus on profitability.

At the (ILTACON) session, The Cost of Doing Business: Data Supported Profitability, representatives from three law firms broke down how they are using data to ensure their firm鈥檚 work is profitable 鈥 a job that鈥檚 sometimes easier said than done.

Make it actionable

Today, law firms have a treasure trove of data at their fingertips. Whether it鈥檚 litigation analytics, transactional workflows, or internal marketing and business development inquiries, lawyers in many cases have more reports and dashboards than they know what to do with.

There鈥檚 a problem with that, however, noted Andrew Gastwirth, Chief Information Officer at DLA Piper, because many of those reports are siloed and backwards looking. When he joined the firm seven years ago, he said that

one of his first initiatives was to 鈥済et out of email and get into workflows.鈥

鈥淚f it鈥檚 not actionable, you鈥檙e just collecting data for the sake of collecting data. We have to make a really big move to stop doing that,鈥 Gastwirth said. Instead, law firms should be providing areas in which people can look at the same data at the same time, and put the data in the context of the larger business rather grouping it by individual clients.

Martha Louks, Director of Technology Services at McDermott Discovery, a subsidiary of law firm McDermott Will & Emery, said that something as simple as a help desk ticketing system is beneficial. At first, when McDermott introduced a more formalized help desk workflow, there was pushback because, naturally enough, everybody just wanted their own individual problems fixed quickly.


鈥淚f it鈥檚 not actionable, you鈥檙e just collecting data for the sake of collecting data. We have to make a really big move to stop doing that.”


Soon, however, having this additional workflow meant the firm had a whole new slew of numbers to analyze. And they found by searching the help desk tickets that people were burned out, especially project managers. The billable hours weren鈥檛 reflecting any sort of change, but upon closer inspection, the number of cases each day had increased significantly.

Indeed, the firm was losing billable time because of how much these managers simply needed to switch from one task to another. 鈥淭he billable time was flat, and we were not capturing as much as we could have or should have,鈥 Louks explained.

Costs and profit

In many cases, law firms not only struggle to get a handle on billable time, but also the cost side of the equation. At McDermott, Louks said she undertook a major initiative to not only determine the standard costs of an e-discovery matter, but also the costs that often aren鈥檛 captured: write offs, write downs, and value-adds. 鈥淎ll of it is a cost to the business,鈥 she said, adding that it鈥檚 not often thought of that way since it鈥檚 not easily measurable.

This need to standardize and accurately measure costs was a major issue at DLA Piper as well, Gastwirth added, and it was a major reason why he pushed the firm to move to the cloud, for more standardized pricing, and also to move from a capital expenditures economic model for technology to an operational expenditures model. As a result, 鈥渕y spend has become incredibly predictable, with fewer peaks and valleys,鈥 he said.

Of course, this isn鈥檛 a panacea for everything. Cloud services can also be more expensive in some cases, for example. Plus, when it comes to the in-sourcing/outsourcing question, it often comes down to scale on operating expenses compared to licensing fees, the panel suggested.

All in all, managed services don鈥檛 add to a firm鈥檚 infrastructure, Louks explained, but 鈥渨hen you involve more help, it does tend to cost more money. It鈥檚 a challenge.鈥 And if a firm has a good sense of its usage and what it鈥檚 measuring, it鈥檚 better able to make a decision. 鈥淚t鈥檚 a delicate balance.鈥


鈥淚f you鈥檙e not specific in the problem that you鈥檙e trying to solve with AI or automation, you will fail.鈥


With proper measurement of these costs, firms are better able to make a true profitability decision 鈥 in some cases, that may even mean treating technology as that write-off or value add.

Monique Sever, Litigation Support & eDiscovery Supervisor at Canadian midsize law firm Harper Grey, said her firm鈥檚 stated strategy is 鈥渢o gain the trust of our clients in order to service them best,鈥 which means a more personal service because it鈥檚 a midsize firm. The result is that the firm has to be strategic about where it generates profit: a large and profitable insurance defense client, for instance, may mean that e-discovery is often a write-off or value add, Sever said.

In this way, technology is not necessarily a profit center, but a strategic investment to better serve the overall profit interests of the firm; however, any technology interests should also be careful to track so the firm can see where those trade-offs occur.

鈥淲e also do want to get credit,鈥 McDermott鈥檚 Louks said. 鈥淭here鈥檚 a cost to all of that. I can actually quantify and say how much this is costing us per year so the firm can make an informed choice.鈥

The future of profitability

AI is not going to fundamentally change how law firms function, the panel agreed, but there will be benefits. 鈥淚t鈥檚 going to be an enhancement for the way that we work,鈥 DLA Piper鈥檚 Gastwirth said.

At the same time, however, any AI or generative AI implementation needs to be done with the firm鈥檚 overall strategy and profitability in mind. 鈥淚f you鈥檙e not specific in the problem that you鈥檙e trying to solve with AI or automation, you will fail,鈥 Gastwirth said, adding that he always asks two questions of any technology project. First, are we in this business? For example, if the firm doesn鈥檛 want to be an email hosting provider, it should outsource that capability.

Second, is this a 24-7 requirement? 鈥淚f it is, it鈥檚 got to go out of the house,鈥 he said, citing network and security operations, in which the firm has a core team. 听DLA Piper also supplements these operations so the firm does not worry about being called all the time.

Gastwirth said he was 鈥渟hocked鈥 about the understanding of profitability within legal, but notes that it doesn鈥檛 have to be that way. Today鈥檚 law firm leaders, he said, should be 鈥渞efocusing the firm overall that you really are running a business.鈥

And technology can play a key part, but only when properly slotted into the firm鈥檚 overall profitability strategy. As Gastwirth stated, quoting from a Microsoft colleague: 鈥淎 fool with a tool is still a fool.鈥


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ILTACON 2023: You may have an information governance policy, but it鈥檚 time to take the next step /en-us/posts/legal/iltacon-2023-information-governance/ https://blogs.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/legal/iltacon-2023-information-governance/#respond Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:00:33 +0000 https://blogs.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/?p=58545 ORLANDO, Fla. 鈥斕齀ncreasingly, law firms of all sizes have started to come around to understanding the business opportunities of their data and the importance of effectively governing that data. After all, according to the 成人VR视频 Institute鈥檚 2023 Digital Strategy Report, 83% of firms say that digital transformation is highly important or central to the firm鈥檚 strategy, and 54% currently have a defined digital strategy at the C-suite level.

As a result, it鈥檚 perhaps not surprising that many mid-size and large law firms now have dedicated information governance (IG) policies in place. For many firms, however, the issue comes with taking the next step: What do we actually do with our IG policy to help guide the firm?

A session at the听 titled, You have an IG policy in place, now how do you manage compliance? looked to help answer that key question. The five law firm panelists, all members of a group known as the Law Firm Information Governance Symposium that has developed on the subject, noted that while many firms may pay lip service to IG concepts, a functioning program can take a lot of hard work.

鈥淚n my career, IG is sometimes not so easy to accomplish,鈥 said Leigh Isaacs, Senior Director of Information Governance at .

Achieving buy-in with communication

Jill Sterbakov, Information Governance Compliance Attorney at , said she often gets the question of how often a traditional records room can transform into a modern information governance team. She estimates that 鈥渋f you can secure the buy-in you need, the resources you need, in a large firm it should take about 3-5 years to develop an advanced program,鈥 but that鈥檚 with one caveat: It requires full-firm buy-in.

鈥淵ou need to sell before you can build,鈥 Sterbakov added, noting that this doesn鈥檛 just mean going to GCs or managing partners for leadership input. 鈥淚f you鈥檙e walking into an organization and you鈥檙e building an IG program, you really need to go to the practice group leaders and sell to them.鈥

Isaacs agreed, noting that data professionals need to 鈥渦nderstand the culture and politics of the firm so you really know where to start.鈥 She said that being a good listener is an underrated key skill. 鈥淚f I鈥檓 taking a position where I鈥檓 coming in and telling you what medicine to take because it鈥檚 good for you, I might get some resistance to that,鈥 she explained.

This means that all proper IG plans should include both two-way communication and a proper information program around the firm鈥檚 information governance goals. Karen Allen, Information Governance Manager at , called this the 鈥渦ser education鈥 portion. 鈥淚 try to avoid the word training because when you say training, people run and hide,鈥 Allen said, adding that this education around proper IG etiquette should be baked into every interaction. 鈥淚t鈥檚 not one and done, [or] a once-a-year type of thing.鈥

In fact, law firm IG professionals should think outside the box about ways to get this training across, she explained. In one conversation, she noted, she brought actual Legos into the office to illustrate a point about how cloud architecture works.

Sterbakov also added that the firm鈥檚 internal calendar has become her friend. 鈥淚 can see, oh the Philadelphia L&E group is meeting on March 3. So, I can go to the practice group leader and say, can I grab five minutes of that meeting?鈥

Technology and obligations

Panel moderator Michele Gossmeyer, Global Director, Information Governance, Risk and Compliance at , noted that law firms can鈥檛 lead with technology 鈥 it鈥檚 people and processes that need to drive technology鈥檚 use. That said, the panel agreed that the technology is an important component to making sure an IG program runs smoothly.

That鈥檚 why one of her most crucial relationships within the firm is with its IT team, Allen said, citing an example from her previous firm of building a dashboard with the IT staff to identify where data lived on employees鈥 computers. The dashboard allowed her to identify potential governance problems, such as: 鈥淚 have a senior partner who has 40 gigs on my documents on their desktop and 12 documents in the DMS.鈥

That visibility was only possible with the technology and collaborative efforts with IT, Allen said. 鈥淭hey know where a lot of the stuff is, even if they don鈥檛 know why it鈥檚 important to us.鈥

Isaacs agreed, saying that she even brought IT into her IG education efforts, adding that 鈥渘ow we鈥檝e got a nice cross-section of training.鈥

Data maps and visibility into data usage that technology provides can provide ammo in tough conversations with leadership, Sterbakov of Morgan Lewis said, citing, for example, that it鈥檚 鈥渘ot just this one guy [putting things on C-drive] but 50% of the firm is doing this.鈥 She added that people 鈥渁lways think they鈥檙e a unique situation鈥 to get away with non-compliance but explaining the importance of compliance with 鈥渢his is what we鈥檙e telling our clients and our insurer鈥 can help get them back on track.

Indeed, the panelists pointed to data compliance requirements within outside counsel guidelines (OCGs) as a periodic burden, but also as a potential weapon for enforcing IG policies. James Merrifield, Director of Information Governance & Business Intake at , touts OCGs as a way to drive buy-in, 鈥渂ecause now it鈥檚 not just important to the firm, but to the client.鈥

Sterbakov noted she reads every OCG that comes into the firm 鈥渁nd they鈥檙e getting more and more sophisticated what they鈥檙e asking to do. [And] if we accept those outside counsel guidelines, we鈥檙e telling them we鈥檙e doing that.鈥

Sound overwhelming? It certainly can be, especially as data governance technology is still continuing to evolve. But Merrifield said his key to satisfying disparate IG requirements within OCGs is to start small, perhaps by taking the firm鈥檚 largest 20 clients and certifying those requirements are satisfied first before building out.

Indeed, taking the next step in IG can potentially difficult, especially for those firms without ample technology or staffing resources. But Wiley鈥檚 Allen 鈥 herself the sole person fully responsible for IG within her firm 鈥 said data and records professionals shouldn鈥檛 be afraid to ask for help. 鈥淚 have tentacles everywhere else that can help me get done what I need to get done,鈥 she said. 鈥淓ven as a party of one, that doesn鈥檛 mean you can鈥檛 staff your program.鈥

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ILTACON 2023: How 5 law firms are putting their data to work in new ways /en-us/posts/legal/iltacon-2023-law-firm-data-strategies/ https://blogs.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/legal/iltacon-2023-law-firm-data-strategies/#respond Wed, 23 Aug 2023 15:37:30 +0000 https://blogs.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/?p=58463 ORLANDO, Fla. 鈥 Collecting and using data within a law firm can be easier said than done. Despite all of the matter, billing, and other data that lives inside law firms, often this data remains incomplete, untransferable between systems, and simply unreadable or lost to the majority of the firm.

As a result, many law firms today have undertaken initiatives to not only clean up their data but find ways to put that data to work. At the , five law firm leaders revealed unique and creative initiatives that can serve as a model to others looking to get the most out of their firms鈥 imperfect data.

Frost Brown Todd: The amazing race

For those not steeped in reality TV, CBS鈥檚 The Amazing Race is a show where contestants race around the world to solve challenges and reach the finish line ahead of their competitors. So, when Cindy Bare, Chief Data & Innovation Officer of (FBT), began looking for a way to encourage attorneys to complete matter surveys in order to get more data into the firm鈥檚 system, she decided to 鈥渕ake data fun鈥 with a play off the show.

FBT鈥檚 version of The Amazing Race was a weeklong competition in which teams of attorneys would virtually 鈥渢ravel鈥 to different locations by completing five-minute matter surveys online. These teams would compete for the highest survey completion rates, and each day would be rewarded with a different exotic location (such as Mayan wonder ) that had some relevance to the attorneys (the firm had recently opened offices in California that had significant experience in Mexico).

Bare noted the initiative had a number of goals, including getting wide buy-in from across practice groups, solidifying the firm鈥檚 taxonomy of different industries, and most importantly, getting leadership buy-in. The clear focus from top-down leadership allowed not only tech-centric attorneys, but the entire firm, to see the importance of inputting matter data. 鈥淚f it鈥檚 not tied to strategy,鈥 Bare adds, 鈥渨hy would anybody care about doing it?鈥

Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe: Apples to apples

Cal Yeaman, Project Attorney with 鈥檚 Analytics team, had a problem. His team had a number of current and prospective technology vendors, particularly in litigation and e-discovery, and collected metrics from them all. But in many cases, the metrics they collected weren鈥檛 necessarily comparable, with differing contract terms and pricing, and varying qualitative experiences based on an individual鈥檚 personal experience.

The firm turned to a data solution that may seem simple yet turned out to be highly effective: an Excel sheet. Yeaman and the Orrick Analytics team created a sheet that analyzed seven different e-discovery pricing models for each vendor, allowing for direct comparisons on what each offered. The sheet also allows for qualitative KPIs, such as who has a project management team, who has a great tool for image collection searches, and more.

鈥淏eing able to not only have the data elements speak to each other鈥 but being able to marry that with the qualitative factors that make somebody a winning collection,鈥 says Yeaman.

From there, the Orrick team can drill down to make more discrete decisions 鈥 such as which vendors and pricing models will work for each practice group. Having this source of truth 鈥渞eally opens a dialogue and a collaborative way of working with our vendor partners,鈥 Yeaman explains, adding that it鈥檚 no longer all on one person to be the e-discovery vendor expert in the firm. 鈥淗aving this kind of complex and scary and expensive thing translated into terms that are easily understood and comparable, and having the expert in the room, helps alleviate a lot of that stress.鈥

Crowell & Moring: Diving into diversity

When Alma Asay started as 鈥檚 Chief Innovation and Value Officer about two years ago, she says had a few distinct goals. The first was structural: She wanted to argue for a data warehouse that could be the single source of data truth for the firm. Then, once that was in place, she wanted to build new applications of that data that was now collected in one place 鈥 such as for firm diversity and utilization metrics.

The first piece was difficult, Asay says, explaining that creating a warehouse from scratch took a lot of manual searching and engineering, such as finding pieces of data across the firm and how to combine them. Where there were no data points, it was on Asay鈥檚 team try to define the data they needed and how to gather it.

From there, the team design reports and leveraged existing data for new purposes. With the data warehouse, Asay said, data movement became fast, accurate, centralized, and fluid. For example, the firm鈥檚 old diversity policy said that the firm could use employee data, but only if the firm checked with the individual first 鈥 a process that was inefficient and unhelpful.

So first the firm created new policies that were clear, simple, and easy to administer and standardize. The result: an increase from 70% of attorneys self-reporting their data to 96%. The new policies 鈥済ave people the comfort level needed to share that information鈥 while still giving the data team what they needed.

Troutman Pepper: Bringing it together

Working with 鈥檚 high-volume transactional group, Director of Firm Intelligence Keli Whitnell had a unique problem. The group actually had excellent data hygiene for collecting deal data, with a repository stretching back years. The problem: The group didn鈥檛 have much insight into that data or ways to make direct comparisons using the data.

The question became, Whitnell says, simply 鈥渉ow can we bring this information together, so we have actionable insights for our attorneys?鈥

The answer is the result of a 10-year journey. The firm started a migration to a client management system (CMS) to manage information, which has evolved to create new forms for matter opening and integrate client data nightly. Whitnell鈥檚 team then created a dashboard with the CMS, building out an overlay that includes both financial information and the firm鈥檚 matter information, allowing the firm to better understand overall matter value as well as the value of potential referrals.

Now, Troutman can actually uncover business development opportunities, allowing it to pinpoint areas of lucrative business. 鈥淣ot only do we understand the value of our own matters, but we can really start to leverage those referral relationships,鈥 Whitnell says.

Goodwin Procter: Match game

David Hobbie, Director of Knowledge Management (Litigation) at , believes firms have data that can help solve one of the oldest law firm dilemmas: the work their attorneys are assigned to do every day. For example, Goodwin鈥檚 United Kingdom office noticed that some associates would get asked for work over and over again from the same partners, while others would fall by the wayside. Some associates would also only ever work with one or two partners, eschewing potential career development.

The several of the firm鈥檚 offices felt more data could give insight into how the solve the problem and created the Goodwin UK@Work project. While previous firm dashboards had allowed insights into attorney work at the individual level, Hobbie and his team developed an online visualization tool that allowed insights into practice groups, offices, and other slices of the firm as a whole, allowing for direct comparisons between attorneys.

Now, the latest iteration of the tool allows breakdowns by client, billable hours and matters by client. The work-tracking dashboard allows search by practice group, individual search by detail, and creates a heat map that shows which associates are working on which matters.

The project was a success, Hobbie says, with broad, consistent usage over last six months. And not only did his team solve a distinct firm problem, but it also raised their profile within the firm as well. 鈥淭hey鈥檙e using it a lot, which is great,鈥 he says. 鈥淚 also got a nice atta boy! from the head of the London office to the COO.鈥

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